Framing Reading Response
Robert Greene: Framing
Skylar Munsch
Sep 24, 2013
Argument isn't just about debating with an opponent over a heated topic. It is the process of research and inquiry as well as basic conversation. Framing an argument must be done in a certain way, one that is relevant to the topic being discussed and whether the debater(s) are qualified in the given area of topic interest. Also in order to write an effective argument one must take into account of the conversations held previously about that given topic, because chances are that the person isn't the first one on the scene.
From this passage I grasped the fact that scholarly arguments must be taken from a conversational point of view. because not only am I probably the last person qualified to discuss my given field, but I have to learn patience. Research and framing an argument both take time and patience, for no one is going to find the key to their argument in a day. So by taking research not as a chore but as the first step in framing an argument one can better appreciate the time and effort that it would take to properly construct a scholarly conversation. Another interesting bit I gathered from Greene was that in order to enter the conversation one must think of the writing process as "...understanding conflicts, the claims others make, and the important questions to ask, not simply as the ability to tell a story that influences readers' ways of looking at the world or to find good reasons to support our own beliefs." (Greene 147) In other words, one must answer a series of questions that seem logical or support our beliefs as well as alter the way people see the world and their beliefs.
Citation:
Greene, Robert. "Argument as Conversation." The Subject Is Research: Processes and Practices. Portsmouth: Boyton/Cook, n.d. 145-55. Print.
How was it useful?
Skylar posts made the ideas we discussed in class much easier to understand. In this particular post he gave me a definition of framing and how one should correctly frame. In the beginning I was confused about how I should and it exactly it was but after reading Sklyer post it clarified to concept for me. When writing my last two eassys I took her advice and had patience which is why I was less fraustrated by the last two assignments and thought they were easier.
Robert Greene: Framing
Skylar Munsch
Sep 24, 2013
Argument isn't just about debating with an opponent over a heated topic. It is the process of research and inquiry as well as basic conversation. Framing an argument must be done in a certain way, one that is relevant to the topic being discussed and whether the debater(s) are qualified in the given area of topic interest. Also in order to write an effective argument one must take into account of the conversations held previously about that given topic, because chances are that the person isn't the first one on the scene.
From this passage I grasped the fact that scholarly arguments must be taken from a conversational point of view. because not only am I probably the last person qualified to discuss my given field, but I have to learn patience. Research and framing an argument both take time and patience, for no one is going to find the key to their argument in a day. So by taking research not as a chore but as the first step in framing an argument one can better appreciate the time and effort that it would take to properly construct a scholarly conversation. Another interesting bit I gathered from Greene was that in order to enter the conversation one must think of the writing process as "...understanding conflicts, the claims others make, and the important questions to ask, not simply as the ability to tell a story that influences readers' ways of looking at the world or to find good reasons to support our own beliefs." (Greene 147) In other words, one must answer a series of questions that seem logical or support our beliefs as well as alter the way people see the world and their beliefs.
Citation:
Greene, Robert. "Argument as Conversation." The Subject Is Research: Processes and Practices. Portsmouth: Boyton/Cook, n.d. 145-55. Print.
How was it useful?
Skylar posts made the ideas we discussed in class much easier to understand. In this particular post he gave me a definition of framing and how one should correctly frame. In the beginning I was confused about how I should and it exactly it was but after reading Sklyer post it clarified to concept for me. When writing my last two eassys I took her advice and had patience which is why I was less fraustrated by the last two assignments and thought they were easier.
Genre Reading Response
Amy Devitt, "Generalizing About Genre"
Leticia Castaneda
Sep 8, 2013
My journal on Devitt begins with a list of words defined. These words are completely new to me and in order to understand Devitt’s article these words need to be defined.
She then delves into the idea that genre isn’t just an idle term. “Understanding genre requires understanding more than just classification schemes; it requires understanding the origins of the patterns on which those classifications are based.”(Devitt, pg 575). You have to look past current definitions of genre and look into what elements makes that definition, a definition. I liked her example about the envelope with the sales pitch or the letter from a friend. We as humans classify text types into genre generally before further investigation of that text type. We have predetermined behaviors for such things because they are a social convention. Devitt makes an excellent point of this by saying “Genres develop, then, because they respond appropriately to situations that writers encounter repeatedly.” (Devitt, pg 576) Genre is more than classification. It is a social construct that flourished into being classifications.By understanding the situations genre comes out of, we can understand writing on many other levels.
Devitt, Amy. Generalizing about Genre:New Conceptions of an Old Concept. 44. National Council of Teachers of English, 1993. 573-586. Print.
How was it useful?
Amy Devitt's article was extremely confusing and I had to read it several times before I could understand it. Although Leticia posting helped me better understand what Devitt was trying to say, by providing definitions of the words that she was using.
Amy Devitt, "Generalizing About Genre"
Leticia Castaneda
Sep 8, 2013
My journal on Devitt begins with a list of words defined. These words are completely new to me and in order to understand Devitt’s article these words need to be defined.
- Dichotomies- division into two parts, kinds, etc.; subdivision into halves or pairs.
- Pedagogies- the function or work of a teacher; teaching.
- Semiotic- Relating to signs and symbols, esp spoken or written signs.
- Epideictic-designed to display something, esp the skill of thespeaker in rhetoric.
She then delves into the idea that genre isn’t just an idle term. “Understanding genre requires understanding more than just classification schemes; it requires understanding the origins of the patterns on which those classifications are based.”(Devitt, pg 575). You have to look past current definitions of genre and look into what elements makes that definition, a definition. I liked her example about the envelope with the sales pitch or the letter from a friend. We as humans classify text types into genre generally before further investigation of that text type. We have predetermined behaviors for such things because they are a social convention. Devitt makes an excellent point of this by saying “Genres develop, then, because they respond appropriately to situations that writers encounter repeatedly.” (Devitt, pg 576) Genre is more than classification. It is a social construct that flourished into being classifications.By understanding the situations genre comes out of, we can understand writing on many other levels.
Devitt, Amy. Generalizing about Genre:New Conceptions of an Old Concept. 44. National Council of Teachers of English, 1993. 573-586. Print.
How was it useful?
Amy Devitt's article was extremely confusing and I had to read it several times before I could understand it. Although Leticia posting helped me better understand what Devitt was trying to say, by providing definitions of the words that she was using.